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Saturday, February 09

Un-representative democracy in Precinct 1783 caucus

Just got back from making my preference heard in the only bizarre way we're allowed to do it in this state -- at a party caucus.

I've been to a few of these things before -- often just out of curiosity, but occasionally because I really wanted to cast that vote-like thing. Usually, you see, I've dissatisfied with the likely Democratic nominee and have gone to the caucus hoping to at least be able to register that dissatisfaction even if its a forlorn hope.

Four years ago, I went to what turned out to be an enjoyable caucus to vote for anybody but Kerry -- even though it was clear by the time of the late Washington caucuses that he was going to get the nomination. I didn't think he'd be a good candidate, so I went planning to vote for Dean even though his campaign had been suspended by then.

Four years ago at that caucus, there were opportunities to discuss the candidates among the couple of dozen neighbors who showed up in my precinct -- 1783 on First Hill.

This year, there were 86 people for the same precinct. There was no conversation. There was no interaction, except for a perfunctory vote by Obama supporters who had to pick six delegates out of about nine who had volunteered to take the role.

Clinton garnered enough votes -- including mine -- in that precinct to get two delegates. Two folks volunteered and the organizers decided that was the end of it.

Finally, when it was clear that there wouldn't be any actual caucusing or discussion in 1783, I told the two self-appointed delegates that I thought it was important for both of them to take a strong stance on marriage equality at the next step. The woman who had elected herself stepped away saying that she won't do that.

The guy who made himself a delegate said that he'd support only the weakest possible provisions in the next step and promised to devote as little effort as possible to the issue. "It's just not something I care about," he said, although he assured me that he would at least vote for whatever watered-down measure is introduced on the issue at District Caucus where he'll be going less. (The woman who wouldn't talk to me seemed unwilling even to do that.)

It's admittedly difficult to deal with overflow crowds at a caucus, but the obnoxiously unrepresentative way that these two "delegates" were chosen in 1783, might be a sign of just how bad things were elsewhere in the process.

Part of the problem is that the official party volunteers in that caucus where all a part of the larger Obama group and became uninterested in the Clinton group once the two delegates had appointed themselves. And, of course, neither those two delegates were interested in any kind of discussion with those they were supposedly "chosen" to represent.

Clearly, part of the problem was mine. I should at least have printed up the material that ERW made available. I could then have (and should have) handed him the ERW marriage equality brochure  and asked to at least read through it so he'd understand the issue.

He clearly doesn't. He said at one point, "It's not an important issue. It's just something the Republicans came up with to get out their voters." I attempted to explain that that wasn't the case -- that in fact the issue had been raised by groups like Lambda Legal long before the GOP adopted discrimination-amendments as a wedge issue.

But he obviously didn't care to listen. The woman we "elected" as our delegate was just plain rude. The guy is kind of an obsequious twit who thinks he knows all answers and isn't about to listen to anyone.

Those personality traits -- both of which make for a poor "delegate" -- would have become more obvious if the couple dozen of us who voted for Clinton had been able to caucus and talk to them before their positions became official. But the Obama folks (a few of  of whom were downright contemptuous of the Clinton supporters) running the precinct didn't care.

Again, I could have -- and should have -- taken a more active role to insist on some sort of discussion and vote on the delegates even though only two had initially volunteered. What did the dozens of us who voted for Clinton want or expect in the next stage of the process? Our "delegates" didn't care and didn't want to find out.

So, after going to at least five of these silly things, I'm ready to give up on it all.

The caucus system too easily gets manipulated into a highly unrepresentative appointment of political hacks or rude, obnoxious twits.

Posted by Robin Evans on Feb 09 2008, 03:30 PM [Permalink]

  • Bill W said:

    Thanks for the view from your caucus. It is sad no one really cares about the gay issues anymore and how anti-gay Obama really is. There more important issues to people these days and we saw it when we elected an anti-gay candidate this last November to the Seattle City Council. Obama supporters will pull up Bill Clinton's vote for DOMA in 1996 to use against Hillary. Like to REALLY know how Obama would have voted on that. I feel so strong about Hillary on the gay issues.

    February 10, 2008 7:30 AM
  • Robin Evans said:

    I'm also uncomfortable about where Obama's policies might lead us. His speeches sound to me frighteningly similar to George W.'s in 2000. I don't mean to suggest that I think his administration would be anything like Bush's, but only that Obama's mostly empty platitudes are as meaningless as Bush's were.

    It's a roll of the dice, as Bill put it.

    But still, I've been going through some "woulda/coulda/shoulda" reflections since coming back from the caucus yesterday. When I saw how unrepresentative the two "delegates" were who finagled their way into representing Clinton at the 43rd District conference, I could have asked the precinct volunteer organizers (all of whom were in the Obama camp) if switching one vote from Clinton to Obama would change the delegate count. If not just one, then there were two undeclared voters who didn't switch. I could have asked if either or both would be willing to switch to Obama to get a delegate who would have supported a strong marriage equality resolution at the 43rd conference.

    But, I didn't do any of that. I just left in frustration and wrote a blog post.

    (And part of the reason that I didn't do it is that adding a delegate to Obama's column would have been uncomfortable for me. There was one guy who seemed to be an Obama campaign person in the crowd who made faces while a Clinton supporter gave a 1-minute spiel trying to switch the undecided voters. The apparent contempt that some Obama supporters have for Clinton worries me a bit. Still though, I should have made the attempt. If nothing else, it might have forced the Clinton voters to talk to each other.)

    What's odd is just how out of touch the obsequious twit from our precinct is likely to be at the 43rd District conference. He seemed -- judging from my brief conversation with him -- to be someone hoping to be a party functionary at some time. He appeared to believe that voting for a strong marriage equality would be rocking the boat, and he didn't want to rock the boat that might eventually get him his functionary post.

    But he's likely to be way out of touch at the 43rd conference, which means he isn't going anywhere from there.

    I just hope that if other delegates to the 43rd District happen to stumble upon this that they'll watch out for the anti-gay-issue pair of Clinton delegates from Precinct 1783. (Note that I said "anti-gay-issue". I have no reason to think either of the "delgates" is anti-gay. It's just that both of them are unwilling to take a stance in support of gay issues at the 43rd District conference.)

    February 10, 2008 3:20 PM
  • Tom said:

    With the seemingly heavy handed way this caucus was held, we have to wonder how many other in this state, railroaded  Obama to victory and in this process did not allow anyone with a opposing voice, a chance to be heard.

    That frightens me as this gives hazy shades of the election of 2000 and 2004.  A bit of push and shove to get what the a few insist upon???  As, adults we thought the days of the school yard bully was gone.

    If during the caucus you don't debate then what is the use of having it.  Even more so, I seen on the news, of caucus sites overflowing and people who showed up not being allowed to have their voices heard or their votes counted.  Is this the democracy we have in this state.  

    Does anyone think that just maybe we should go to a primary election so that everyone's voice maybe heard?  Does anyone else wonder if there may have been a different outcome?  I guess we will have to stay tuned to see what Feb 19th brings.  No doubt, that if the vote ends up in Hillary favor then there is something very odd happening in this state and we should take a serious look about the way the delegates are awarded...

    February 14, 2008 12:51 PM